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supergeek17 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
What is wrong with you, world? 

Ahhh I ask that question on a regular basis. I still haven't gotten an answer. 
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Otterwillow Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I did hear there were more counter protests going on, I'm not religious so I can't really pray, but I hope everyone is safe-Huggle! 
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supershirley17 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015
Today was really weird. In philosophy class my republican teacher was like "guys not all muslims are like this, I know because I have some muslim friends and every time something like this happens they say 'not this shit again. They're making the rest of us all look bad AGAIN'. But the muslims have to understand why we're all kind of paranoid. I mean it wasn't someone from poland that bombed the shit out of the towers it was crazy muslims, and then the whole shooting in the school in that country, bombing their own citizens and now killing over a cartoon, can they blame us for being a bit terrified? Europe is starting to reevaluate their immigration laws for muslims, especially Germany what do you think?" and of course some girl was like no if we do that to them then it wouldn't be fair and he was like "yes honey but these people train children to kill so...but I understand this is the land of second chances, we like giving people the benefit of the doubt but they're kinda you know killing people and beheading journalists."plus a lot of other stuff. Then in history class my democrat half jewish teacher was talking about Germany (he was teaching about what led up to ww2) and I told him I heard that Germany politicians were thinking about not allowing any more muslim immigrants into the country and he said " Good they're fucking smart. I haven't caught up on the news on what happened but those people are crazy. Look I'm a liberal but no you can't just ugh. My brother wants the U.S to bomb them already. They do realize that the U.S has a newspaper that WAY more offensive than Charlie right?" It was the last thing I expected both of them to say. He was joking about the last part he's a good, nice atheist guy. But really it was like I entered a paradox. I've never seen a muslim except for you know t.v but I imagine it must really really suck to be a muslim right now and really suck to have to apologize for something you didn't do.
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SirMartin1 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
my profound sympathies as i know these events must only continue to sicken your heart and soul. Isha Allah these growing pains and conflicts will end and the truth will out eventually, Islam is peace and these murderers are ANYTHING but Muslims, they're deranged sociopaths blinded by hate and committed to subjugation and murder in the worst way possible: through the perversion of the word of Allah... :( 
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Syndicaidramon Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
With all due respect, I must ask you to stop that. Stop denying the fact that these people had connections to islam.
The attack was religiously motivated. They shouted "god is great".
I want you to familiarize yourself with the "no true scotsman fallacy". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_…

Muslims need to wake up and realize that their religion has issues... MAJOR issues.
Extremism is rampant within islam, and sweeping the problem under the rug -- as you're attempting to do -- is not helping anyone. It will only make things worse.

As such, you also need to stop deluding yourself into believing that islam is a religion of peace.
If you personally believe that islam is intended to be peaceful, then that is fine. Great.
But don't act as if that is the reality of the world as a whole. Because it's clearly not.
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SirMartin1 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Timothy McVeigh Oklahoma City Bombing 1996. 

Jonestown Mass Suicide 1978 

and the list can go on from there with countless crimes by the KKK and other "Christian" based hate and political fringe groups. 

the point i'm desperately and civilly trying to make here is not that Islam doesn't have a problem but organized religion by and large does, and it always will just as any indoctrinating force based on core principals will be it religious or secular. you will always have extremists and the best way to deal with them is to see them for what they are: non representatives of a greater whole and perversions of that whole. the reason its perceived solely as an islamic issue is largely due to skewed media attention and the fact that from a historical perspective Islam has not been around as long as say other monotheistic faiths have. the growing pains and conflicts and blood baths that were common place in Christianity for one example during it's reformation period, occurred in a era some 400 years ago BEFORE there were the significant technological advances in warfare and communication so the conflicts largely stayed within certain geographical boarders and communities vs spilling over in collateral damage the way they do now. whats more the period of Colonialism exacerbated the issue by creating a vacuum of economic and cultural disparity in many parts of the world which as a result are only now trying to develop their own means of gov't and political systems which for the better part of the 20th century they couldn't because a totalitarian foreign power imposed theirs on them. i encourage you in turn to read Dr. Reza Aslan's No God But God on the Origins, Evolution and Future of Islam. and Dr. Charles Kimball's When Religion Becomes Evil. if anything I personally am not succumed to delusionary thinking i know the world has a great many problems due to the conflicts of these radicals, what i am saying is that because of such the best way to fight their initiative is to derail it, to label it as anything but representative and legitimate of the whole which they seek to hijack for their own selfish shortsighted ends. 
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Manthies Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2015
half dozen ridiculous and derisive "terrorist"(pseudo-terrorist, actually) non-muslim groups who, in the max of the "cruel" things they did was murder one or another unfortunate nigger(no offense, or any other person), which such act caused a ridiculously immense tantrum in society and everyone involved were half day later under arrest, and the boss of the "terrorist" group where the murderers made part asking sorry and saying that the murderers are expelled and trying despair and ridiculously try to clean off it's image to the eyes of everyone: this is the very core of something so ridiculous, so derisive, pathetic, that it doesn't exist words in the universe to discribe clearly how ridiculous this is, i don't even need to say that the muslim are infinitely far worse than this and yes, their terrorism is related to their religion faithfully, deal with it.
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Syndicaidramon Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
As far as I am aware, the Oklahoma City was a revenge plot for Waco. Which doesn't really make it as much religiously motivated as it makes it motivated of vengeance.
In regards to Jonestown, I don't know much about it, but assuming all of the paricipants died voluntarily, then that doesn't really count, since they didn't murder anyone else. Since they didn't end the lives of others that did not consent.
A bad thing still, of course, but someone killing themselves out of stupid superstitious delusions and someone doing the same to someone else is a big difference.


Of course, organized religion has a problem, but some religions have more problems than others. Islam being the one with by far the most.
And sure, many times, it doesn't even have to have a connection to the whole. But at some point, you just have to bite the sour apple and admit that "okay, maybe something in this ideology is causing people to do bad things".
That surely IS the case with a lot of christians. It surely is the case with nazis. And it surely is with a lot of muslims as well.
Especially when you look at countries whose laws are based off of religious scriptures, and those laws are horribly discriminatory and inhumane.

And when you look at the way the various religions handle criticism, there is generally a BIIIIIIIIIIG difference between muslims and christians.
Again, when was the last time someone stormed down an establishment and murdered a bunch of innocent people over a piece of satire in any other religion than islam?
Islam is up to the count of at least 4 or 5 different occations as far as I am aware now. And have incited many more than that as well...

The "growing pains" argument is basicly an admission to it being a problem with the religion itself. And you know what, there is no excuse for that shit in this day and age.
And we have no reason to tolerate it. To say "just stick it out, because it might get as good as christianity  in a couple hundred years is downright insulting in every single aspect.
No. Get with the times NOW, or face our contempt. There is no excuse for this bullshit in this day and age.
Besides, christianity is way behind the times themselves. Christianity is the sole biggest factor holding societal progress back in the western world.
We don't have time to wait through an era of people believing there are no problems within islam, while stuff like this is getting taught inside the congregations.

The colonialism argument, while valid for some, is not valid for other countries such as Saudi Arabia. Which is arguably also the worst perpetrator of all the islamic countries.

And it's not just a problem with the utmost extreme radicals. It's a problem with the inherent teachings of islam. The teachings of sharia for instance, which are far more common than the militarized organizations.
The teachings of the inferiority of women and homosexuals. The teachings of shunning apostates, the teachings of killing apostates and adulterers... It is far more common than these "radical", and it too must be stomped out.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeIS2…

Just like it must be stomped out in christianity. Because christianity is also filled with such nonsense filth. Which is why I hate christianity as well.
No religion has anything good to contribute to society with in today's world. Not something that couldn't come from a secular place.
Which is why it is important to make people aware of how despicable the teachings that are still passed around in religious congregations are. Because otherwise, it won't get dealt with.
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jessomie Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
very well put.
it really saddens me that the only part of religion a lot of people see is the part that makes the headlines
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SirMartin1 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks, and i hate to use a cliche but no news is good news. :nod:
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ElliotxClaris Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
I'm glad there's still Muslims who are against this kind of violence.
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tuffix Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"still"?! They always were and are the huge majority!!!
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ElliotxClaris Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
Sorry. 
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SirMartin1 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Still? with all due respect Muslims are by majority non violent, the reason the perception is often skewed is due to the fact that media attention is always given to the exception of the majority or to the extreme fringes of a group or society, and while citing problems and issues is all well and good, one cannot and SHOULD NOT judge an entire community by the actions of radicals on the fringes of said community. especially since said individuals are often not recognized by said community due to their extreme, and vile perversion of it's cultural and religious troupes. 

whats more EVERY organized religion has this problem, from Zionist in Judaism to cults like the FLDS and Westboro Baptist Church in protestant Christianity, by and large they get more media attention due their acts and words but by no means are representative of the collective whole, and to recognize them as such only polarizes one's perceptions and exacerbates the problem. 

this being said if you wish to show support and share hope by all means i applaud your efforts just be more tactful with your words and think twice about your perception. 
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ElliotxClaris Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
And this is why I should never say anything.  Sorry.
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SirMartin1 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
it's OK. it's not that one shouldn't speak but that if one does speak, one should speak well, or as a professor i had put it think twice for every single word at least, once from the perspective of your position and once from the perspective of your opponent's. :) 
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Syndicaidramon Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
May I ask you when the last terrorist attack motivated by christianity was? When was the last time christianity made someone go on a killing spree?
When was the last time christians started violent riots over a piece of ridicule?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying christianity doesn't have its problems. It absolutely does. And I am not a fan of it nor judaism.
But when comparing which religion causes the most problems on a worldwide scale... it's not exactly a close race between the three... One clearly comes out on top...
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dramirak Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2015

I just signed in to respond to your nonesense. What’s about these idiots? It's just a small list:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07…

www.theguardian.com/world/2005…

www.washingtonpost.com/world/a…

 

And please don’t make me remind you who is selling all the weapons all over the world.
Did I say that I hate hypocrisy?!!!




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Syndicaidramon Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
Breivik was motivated by national socialism, not his religion.
To say "Bush went to war with the middle east because of christianity" is... well... silly. There are numerous factors that went into that whole thing. Political reasons and economical reasons first and foremost.
I don't doubt that Bush's insane superstitious delusions contributed to it, but to ignore all the other factors and write the whole thing off as "religiously motivated, period" is silly.
The third one, I'll grant you.

The weapons industry is irrelevant. It's purely economical.

So you only have one case here, at the end of the day. Which is that militia. Okay. ONE militia. Against how many muslim militias? Against the thousands of muslims in the "Innocence of Muslims" riots?
The several hundreds who went around lynching "satanic" emo teenagers in Iraq? Or the tens of thousands who called for the death of someone for referring to the prophet Mohammed as his equal?
www.news.com.au/technology/sau…


Mind you, I have no problem condemning christianity or any other religion. I hate all religions.
But to try and act as if islam doesn't inspire far more violence than any other religion is just... well, wrong.
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ArlieBelliveau Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
A lovely gesture of support. And I quite like your representation too!
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tuffix Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you (:
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AmbiValentGoon Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015
The list of what's wrong is unfortunately endless. You just have to remember that the list of what's right in the world is also endless.
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tuffix Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True.. thank you for these encouraging words.
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